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Radio Free Mormon: 021: Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church

Radio Free Mormon’s Thanksgiving Day Episode
RFM tackles Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard in their Face to Face broadcast, from behind enemy lines.  Elder Ballard says Church leaders have never, ever, never, ever, ever, hidden difficult pieces of our faith’s history.  RFM then proceeds to not only show that the Church has lied on a few occasions but rather has demonstrated a pattern of continuous lying and deception since its inception.

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43 thoughts on “Radio Free Mormon: 021: Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church

  1. It would be nice to have links to the references that you make in your richly informative podcasts? I know it’s extra work and a lot of time is spent as it is, but if not all references just some.

    I wonder if it’s possible to have a kinder tone besides the constant critical one, although I agree that it is rather upsetting. What are honest, truth loving members of the church supposed to do once we process this information?

    • David I think the tone of RFM is great. Afterall, he is ‘Broadcasting from behind enemy lines’, I think Bill and Jack’s episodes give great balance to the criticism. Both sides are needed.

      • Thanks, Hauser! My tone may have been snarkier in this episode than others. If it was, it is probably because what Elder Ballard said outraged me so much! In fact I was doing all I could to keep from yelling into the microphone. Thanks for listening!

        • RFM tone, as well as those other fact finding/fact reevealimg/rational discussion web sites and pod casts, become inherently connected to the frustration experienced by those who study church history in depth and understand clearly the level of lies, deception and fraud that church leaders have, and do, engage in. Real people are being really hurt by these leaders, and have been for generations. Thus, if someone is witness to a mugging, yes, it would be “nice” to speak gently about the mugger. But, it would be more appropriate for the tone to be something different than that. Context and facts affect proper tone. As church leaders choose to be more and more enboldenened by getting away with lying, truthful guardians must speak more and more firmly. I am a sixth generation member. The church never would have survived wothout my ancestor. So, I truly wish the Brethren displayed more honesty and integrity. But, they do not. It’s their choice.

    • David
      I understand your desire that things be « kinder ». However, the scriptures remind us that « The Spirit speaketh the truth and lieth not. Wherefore, it speaketh of things as they really are, and of things as they really will be; wherefore, these things are manifested unto us plainly, for the salvation of our souls” (Jacob 4:13; see also D&C 93:24). Thé truth of things is not always kind or pleasant. In fact, it can be quite jarring. A jarring presentation is not necessarily wrong but it may make you uncomfortable in order to wake you to a truth.

      • Good points, Jan!

        On the whole, I think I am probably kinder and gentler than John the Baptist. And also most of the prophets we find in the Book of Mormon. I just cannot imagine most of the sermons in the Book of Mormon being given in a general conference tone of voice. No, it strikes me that those sermons must have been given in a fiery Soutkern Baptist type of delivery.

        Somewhere along the way the LDS church got into the habit of giving sermons in the same manner business meetings are conducted. Sermons became talks. The Spirit became reverence. I think that was the moment the apostasy in the LDS church finally took hold.

    • David.

      Good suggestion about references. If you tell me which ones maybe I can post those. Thanks!

  2. Dear RFM,

    Another stellar podcast which ads evidence to the growing stack of evidence that our church leaders feel no hesitancy in telling only the faith-promoting slant on every statement that they make.

    “The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith” was the one podcast that stuck me like a bolt of lightening. How can members of the LDS church have faith, or hope, or trust in any of the millions of words from our leaders when those words change like the shifting sands of the Arabian desert?

    Not only foundational statements are called into question as to their accuracy or validity, but the obfuscation continues to the latest moment.

    I feel sorry for David who seems to need the leaders’ words (and actions I might ad) to be honest and fully disclosing, when they are no such thing. I, too, am surrounded by those who need their leaders to be forthright and infallible. I harbor no such need, and don’t expect that mere mortals can make such claims in the first place. We are frequently counseled in scripture to distrust ANY man’s words, yet members seem to discount those scriptures and accept conflicting pronouncements from the authorized leadership as if they are an unchangeable God’s very words.

    As in the words of Charlie Brown, “Good grief!”

    Great job RFM, as I have come to expect nothing less from you.

    Your podcasts are at the top of my must listen to list.

    Thank you for your diligence in ferreting out the inconsistencies from our leaders, which we LDS face on a continuing basis.

    Love how your mind works.

    Gale

    • Great comments Gale!

      Maybe the worst thing about Elder Ballard’s statement was when he said that being honest is the Lord’s way. He can correctly identify the Lord’s way, but it appears he has no intention of following it. At least in this instance.

  3. Good grief! indeed.

    Five a.m. is not a good time for me to be proof-reading my own comments. Please forgive me as I have just noticed that not once — but twice — I wrote the word “ad” when I really meant “add”. My bad. Perhaps some of the cobwebs have been cleared out by now, but take caution as you read my comments.

    Dear RFM, please keep digging the truth out of the proverbial rabbit hole or memory hole; we need to know the truth so we can be set free.

    Gale

    • Roger that, Gail!

      When I was young, The church taught me to study the Scriptures, to study the doctrine, to study the history. And I took it seriously. I spent countless hours studying Mormonism, only to find out that the church didn’t really want me to do that in the first place.

      I became the Mormon who knew too much!

      I know where the bodies are buried. The truth is out there. And I am taking as much of the truth as I can and cramming it into each episode of radio free Mormon.

      Thanks for listening!

  4. As soon as I heard M.R.Ballard state that the church leaders have never hidden anything, I knew you would be presenting something good later on.
    I will grant the leaders that it is human nature that people will hide things and make them look less than great… its natural and I get it. Still, it doesn’t make it right… and definitely not honest, true, chaste, benevolent, etc.
    Thanks, RFM. You did not disappoint.

    • Good points, Ben!

      I think one of the main problems the church has is that they have painted a picture of a prophet as someone who is doctrinally and morally infallible.

      And then they decided to erase all the parts that did not fit that picture. And have done their best to hide that information from the members and the world.

  5. As usual you’re wrong. You’re exaggerating what Elder Ballard said, which sadly fits into your ego. For some reason you seem to want attention or as the scriptures say “the praise of the world” look it up and see what God thinks about that. it’s okay, you can drop all this historical stupidity that you engage in and repent.

    • i don’t know how giving the exact quote counts as exaggeration. Maybe some of the examples RFM gives are a bit of a stretch.

      M.R. Ballard said what he said, and then its up to us to decide whether or not it is true; “There has been no attempt on the part, in any way, of the church leaders trying to hide anything from anybody”

      • They are trying to be as transparent as they know how to be. The Church is different today than it used to be. 90% of people don’t care about history and in the Church it’s no different but the church is putting out the information. What he said is true. The fact that we even know about different documents of LDS history show what Elder Ballard said is true.

        • Have you actually listened to this podcast, whizzbang?

          The only reason we know about some of these documents is not because the church releasd them voluntarily, but because the church’s efforts to continue hiding them was the thwarted when the fact the church had these documents was leaked to the press.

          How do you account for that? Does that not sound like the church was hiding information and documents?

        • “as transparent as they know how to be”? Millions of members, multiple church schools, an entire Church Educational System, and the Church Historian is a lawyer.

          Also, have you read your last sentence out loud? Or even silently in your own mind?

  6. Dear Whizzbang,

    If you were 60% smarter, this podcast would sound brilliant.

  7. Dear RFM….

    I watched the replay of this silly “Answers to Questions” event on Monday night and knew that you would be hard at work creating another great podcast based on Elder Ballard’s truth claim. I squirmed in my chair and wanted to scream when I heard him declare the transparency of the church.

    You hit all the great talking points and your background fact checking is right in line to share with the world behind enemy lines.

    I was also amazed at the vanilla type of answers Oaks and Ballard provided to some of the questions. In fact, in some situations they didn’t even answer the question. They offered some good advice to the single adults like getting off smart phones and talking to each other in a dating process. But none of this sounds Prophetic or spiritually offered. It’s just good advice like I tell my own children of dating age.

    Keep up the great work. I hope through the underground word of mouth people start finding your podcast more and more!

    EVH

    • I am glad you noticed this too, Elder Van Halen!

      So interesting that on a number of occasions, even with weeks of preparation, some of the answers managed to completely avoid the question itself.

      Unfortunately there was nobody there who had the ability or the motivation to ask any follow-up questions.

      As I say it was all completely scripted and the outcome was determined in advance. The only wildcard was Elder Ballard and his little black notebook of tricks.

  8. I listened to the broadcast before i heard this episode and was amazed at the audacity and smugness of apostles, of Christ???

    • It is funny, Tom, that two men who so obviously do not have the answers to all the questions nevertheless act like they have the answers to all the questions!

  9. I have been crazy active (interpret “crazy” however you wish) in the LDS church for 61 yrs. I’ve lived through Mark Peterson, BKP, EzTB, The Miracle of Forgiveness, JFS, JFS Jr (Bruce R. Mc). Long before I knew that cognitive dissonance and independent thinking can eventually be good for the mind and soul, I asked the “wrong” questions in my church classes, and carried the requisite guilt (shame was taught to me later). Is it any wonder my best response was to climb out the basement window (chapel built in 1899) of the Sunday School and Primary classroom? And now, after decades of only slightly controlled comments, I find that I’M NOT ALONE AND I’M LIKELY NOT THE CRAZY ONE! Viva la RFM! Viva la internet! I agree with you RFM, Church transparency really can’t be viva-ed yet.

      • Those that be with us are more than those that be against us.

        To coin a phrase. ;^)

    • Seven years ago with the help of church sources and the internet, I realized that I wasn’t the crazy one. Some four years ago I learned that I wasn’t alone. I like some things about the church organization, but for crying out loud, let’s be honest with each other. The term “gas lighting” is one that church leaders should become familiar with, because they are still hurting people by trying to isolate them from their families and friends by silly talks saying “only read church approved sources.” Hence, friends and family, in the effort to “follow the leaders” are discouraged from, and even frightened away from getting “both sides” of the story. It’s creepy and dishonest by their own (church leaders) standards.

      • Church leaders: We encourage members to ask questions. Here is a list of approved questions church members may ask.

        Church leaders: We encourage members to study about the church and its history. Here is a list of approved sources the members should study.

        Church leaders: We encourage members to pray to receive their own revelation as to whether what church leaders are saying is true. But the only approved revelation is one that confirms the teachings of church leaders.

        Church leaders: We encourage members to ask questions, to study church history, and to pray to find out for themselves if what church leaders say is true. We are being as transparent as we know how to be!

  10. This might be my favorite episodes! My mother, after learning about me leaving the church, has sent an enormous amount of church literature. I would love to send this episode to her but I’m worried with the lack of references, she’d quickly dispute it as unfounded claims.

    I know it’s extra work to post or show those, I’ve been searching on my end as well. Even to have the 13 instances of deceit would be helpful for my searching.

    Regardless, thank you for your hard work. I know how tricky it can be to report behind enemy lines 😀

    • Thanks for the kind words, Mr. Caine.

      What might be effective with your mother is to send her the podcast as is; then if she disputes any of the facts; you can show the documentation.

      That way she kind of walks into it. If you know what I mean.

      Still trying to get a bead on whether there is anything in particular you want a reference for.

      Kind of swamped with work right now to go back and put up everything.

      But one or two I think I could handle at present.

      Thanks for listening!

      RFM

  11. I LOVE your podcasts.

    Mormonthink did a good job on the essays, but I would love your detailed mind and eye to details to also go over them with a fine tooth comb.

    • Thanks so much, Happy Hubby!

      The essays are something I have considered reviewing. Maybe I will get the time some day.

      To be honest, the church keeps coming up with new stuff that needs to be reviewed with such frequency that it has kind of put me behind on older subjects I have on my to-do list!

      These are strange times for the LDS Church.

      It would seem they are starting to get desperate.

      Otherwise it is hard to account for so many unforced errors.

  12. EXCELLENT PODCAST

    I would love to see a Podcast where you and Elder Ballard sit down and discuss these matters open and honest to everyone.

    • Elder Ballard is welcome to be a guest on Radio Free Mormon any time it fits his busy schedule!

  13. Dear Radio Free Mormon,
    I love your podcast. I am having trouble finding the episode in which you discuss Elder Oaks’ recent talk. “The Plan and the Proclamation.” Also, I can’t find episodes 015-018. Can you please post urls for these episodes? Thanks!

  14. Can anyone post a link to the promo video in which Ballard states that he tries to avoid the questions to which he doesn’t know the answers? I’ve heard that quoted around the bloggernacle, but I haven’t seen the original source.

    Thank you!

    • The entirety of the audio is available in my prior podcast on it.

      But it is becoming more difficult to find on the Internet.

      I believe the church took at least one version down from YouTube after it started drawing well-deserved fire.

      Good luck!

  15. I was surprised RFM didn’t use the quotes from Gordon Hinckley about church money, and how those records are only made available to church members. That was one of the biggest lies I’ve ever heard.

    I’m still waiting to see some real financial disclosure that doesn’t come through mormonleaks.

    RFM,…you had so many lies to choose from, I suppose you could have gone on a lot longer as well.

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